Συζήτηση:Κότυς Γ΄ (Σαπαίων)

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Πολύπλοκο. Μεταφορά συζήτησης από Συζήτηση_χρήστη:FocalPoint#Κότυς:

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I'm almost sure Κότυς Δ΄ and Κότυς Ε΄ are the same person (see en:Cotys VIII). Could you check and, if necessary, merge them? Thank you, --Epìdosis (συζήτηση) 14:13, 3 Ιανουαρίου 2017 (UTC)

Hello Επίδοσις, I am looking it up and I will let you know. --Focal ^Point 15:22, 3 Ιανουαρίου 2017 (UTC)

Επίδοσις, this is a mess. The wikipedia articles, I agree, are certainly mixed up. but the bibliography? I just do not know. let me get some help. Χρήστης:Gts-tg, can the case intrigue you enough to check it out (bibliographically I mean)? --Focal ^Point 20:37, 5 Ιανουαρίου 2017 (UTC)

FP and Επίδοσις, hmm, based on the gen. tree here and listings here I think that:

• the en wiki has original research going on by treating Cotys III as Cotys VIII in terms of dynastic terms, the reference provided does not cite anything like this, and I can't find any sources for Cotys VIII apart from Wikipedia articles in other languages turns out it is Kotys, It's here and other links below
• Cotys III lived on the 3rd century AD, and Cotys V Sapaen (Cotys 5, instead of VIII - 8) lived in 1st century BC to 1st AD. But if I am going to start counting Cotyses in the area Cotys III would -as original research, POV- could end up being an VIII (8)
• There are different lines of Cotyses, Sapaean and Odryssian, here are the Odryssian ones
• So it looks like the people are different, but Cotys VIII is wrong, it should be Cotys V Sapaean Gts-tg (συζήτηση) 21:31, 5 Ιανουαρίου 2017 (UTC)

P.S. the Wikidata links are all over the place, Κότυς Δ´ (IV) is linked to en Cotys III, fr Cotys VIII, with the rest of the language links split between III and VIII. Gts-tg (συζήτηση) 21:31, 5 Ιανουαρίου 2017 (UTC)

Ah but looking further there is 1st century Kotys with a K listed as VIII here and here who seems to be Odryssian based. And the above mentioned Cotys with a C listed as V is Sapaen based and also lived during the 1st century. It still looks like different people to me. Gts-tg (συζήτηση) 21:47, 5 Ιανουαρίου 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, good luck with that, hope the bibliography will make life easier. Gts-tg (συζήτηση) 21:56, 5 Ιανουαρίου 2017 (UTC)

You know that we can wue each other for brain damage after all that....... don't you? --Focal ^Point 21:59, 5 Ιανουαρίου 2017 (UTC)

Actually I almost went blind looking at all the Cotyses and Kotyses, and the winner is (drumroll...) Επίδοσις based on the lower right box here and here! Kotys IV is Kotys VIII (although I think he is Odryssian rather than Sapaean). Gts-tg (συζήτηση) 22:04, 5 Ιανουαρίου 2017 (UTC)

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Προτείνω επίσης την ανάγνωση των πηγών όπου περιέχονται τα γενεαλογικά δέντρα των Οδρυσσών και των Σαπαίων. Gts-tg (συζήτηση) 14:57, 31 Ιανουαρίου 2017 (UTC)